Sun-Spots Digest, v6n173
William LeFebvre
Sun-Spots-Request at RICE.EDU
Mon Aug 8 15:19:28 AEST 1988
SUN-SPOTS DIGEST Sunday, 7 August 1988 Volume 6 : Issue 173
Today's Topics:
Re: Sun 3/E Eurocard boards: pointer needed
Re: textedit spelling checker
Re: PC-NFS rev 3.0 not much beter than 2.0
Sun Education Opens Training Center in Toronto!
Co-existing screens on a 3/110C (/dev/cgfour0)
named and ypserv -i
Problems with Cheetah 4200 and CDC 9720
Questions about Xylogics 753 and Fujitsu M2382K
Question about SunOS 4.0 speed
Final Report On Small SCSI Drives (LONG)
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Date: Mon, 1 Aug 88 10:57:06 CDT
From: texsun!mizarvme!linimon at sun.com
Subject: Re: Sun 3/E Eurocard boards: pointer needed
Reference: v6n147
In Sun-Spots Digest v6n147 (19 Jul 88) steinmetz!wildes wrote about his
experience with Sun 3/E board sets. I need to contact him about this but
machine steinmetz claims there is no user wildes. [[ That may partly be
my fault---not making sure that the From field is correct when I strip out
teh rest of the header. --wnl ]]
A pointer would be appreciated.
Reply directly to:
Mark Linimon
Mizar, Inc.
uucp: {convex,killer,sun!texsun}!mizarvme!linimon
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Date: Wed, 27 Jul 88 08:58:44 EDT
From: steinmetz!grymoire!barnett at uunet.uu.net (Bruce G. Barnett)
Subject: Re: textedit spelling checker
Reference: v6n148
Here is my textedit-based spelling checker. It is based on a script from
the Sun's user's group. If can chen the spelling from the primary
selection, secondary selection, shelf, or you can select a filename. It
pops up a window with the misspelled words in it.
Bruce G. Barnett <barnett at ge-crd.ARPA> <barnett at steinmetz.UUCP>
____________________
Add the following to your menus:
====================
"Spell Check from Selection" MENU
"Primary" select-spell 1
"Secondary" select-spell 2
"Shelf" select-spell 3
"Filename(s)" select-spell f
"Spell Check from Selection" END
==========select-spell==========
#!/bin/csh -f
# bruce barnett June 11, 1987
# this is a script to check spelling of something selected by the mouse
onintr bye
# calling sequence is
# select-spell [arg]
# where [arg] can be 1, 2 or 3, or f
# if missing, assume 1
# 1 = get selection from primary selection
# 2 = get selection from secondary selection
# 3 = get selection from shelf
# f = get selection from primary selection, but assume it is a file
if ( $#argv == 0 ) then
set selection = 1
else
set selection = $argv[1]
endif
set usefile = 0
if ( $selection !~ [123fF] ) then
set selection = 1
endif
if ( $selection =~ [fF] ) then
set selection = 1
set usefile = 1
endif
get_selection $selection >/tmp/getA$$
echo "" >>/tmp/getA$$
if ( $usefile ) then
spell `cat /tmp/getA$$` >/tmp/badspell$$
else
spell </tmp/getA$$ >/tmp/badspell$$
endif
set a = `wc -l < /tmp/badspell$$`
#echo answer is $a
if ( $a > 20 ) then
set a = 20
endif
@ a += 2
if ( ! -z /tmp/badspell$$ ) then
textedit -width 30 -height $a -Es 0 /tmp/badspell$$
else
echo no spelling errors found >/dev/console
endif
bye:
/bin/rm -f /tmp/getA$$ /tmp/badspell$$
exit 0
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Date: Mon, 1 Aug 88 09:46:16 edt
From: csmoko at nswc-oas.arpa
Subject: Re: PC-NFS rev 3.0 not much beter than 2.0
Reference: v6n156
> From: "Greg Hullender" <novavax!proxftl!greg at bikini.cis.ufl.edu>
>
> However, a new bug has been introduced that makes telnet very difficult to
> use. Every few minutes, telnet stops echoing input for a minute or so.
>...
> 2) Telnet still doesn't let you get at anything like the number of
> function keys you should be able to. The PC has many keys that do not
> generate unique sequences under telnet; this makes a lot of things more
> difficult than they ought to be.
I have noticed these and other problems with telnet. The first of my
problems is the that the vt100 terminal emulator is not without its flaws.
Vi and most other screen based programs get messed up quite often. The
sceond problem is that key redefinition does not exist. What I was
wondering is if pc-kermit version 2.3x could be made to run as a telnet
emulator. The new kermit, version 2.30 and above, have support for
netbios but not telnet. The terninal emualtion and key redefinition
support with kermit in my opinion are top notch. I am no expert in
ethernet nor tcp/ip and was wondering if someone on is the net is looking
in to it. All of the source for kermit is in assembler and is available
from columbia university.
Chuck Smoko
Naval Surface Warefare Ctr.
(703)663-7744
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Date: Mon, 1 Aug 88 09:49:47 PDT
From: susan at sun.com (Susan Morin)
Subject: Sun Education Opens Training Center in Toronto!
Sun Microsystems announces the opening of its Canadian Education Centre in
Toronto, Ontario.
The new facility contains hardware, software and system administration
labs. Sun instructors will be providing training on Introduction to
SunOS, SunOS for Programmers, System Administration 3.x and 4.0,
Installation and Networking, Sun-3 Maintenance, and Peripherals.
To enroll in courses at the Canadian education centre, contact the
Canadian registrar, Doreen Caggianello, at (416) 477-6745. PAYMENT IS
ACCEPTABLE IN CANADIAN OR US DOLLARS.
On-site training can be arranged by contacting the Canadian Education
Manager, Sharon Fisher, at (416) 477-6745.
Course descriptions appear in the Educational Services July-December 1988
Course Information and Schedule. If you do not have a copy, send your
request to customer-training at sun.com or sun\!customer-training.
The schedule for the next two months is as follows:
US$ CDN$
EU-101 Introduction to SunOS 3 days $600 $750
September 7 - 9
UP-210 SunOS for Programmers 5 days 1100 1375
August 8 - 12
August 22 - 26
September 19 - 23
SA-250 System Administration 3.x 5 days 1500 1875
August 15 - 19
September 12 - 16
SA-270 System Administration 4.0 5 days 1500 1875
August 29 - September 2
September 26 - 30
IN-101 Sun Workstation Installation
and Networking 5 days 1500 1875
September 19 -23
SM-203 Sun-3 Systems Maintenance 5 days 1500 1875
September 26 - 30
PM-301 Sun Peripherals Maintenance 3 days 1000 1250
October 3 - 5
In addition, the one-day seminar "System Administration Changes for the
Sun-OS 4.0", for experienced 3.x System Administrators, will be offered
in the following Canadian cities:
Vancouver August 4
Calgary August 24
Toronto August 10
August 12
Ottawa September 7
Montreal September 8
To register, call (416) 477-6745
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Date: Mon, 1 Aug 88 09:19:16 MDT
From: topologix!bashfull!devin at boulder.colorado.edu (Devin Hooker)
Subject: Co-existing screens on a 3/110C (/dev/cgfour0)
I am working on a sun with a cgfour0 display and I understand that I can
have two suntools (or even better, suntools and Xwindows) running at the
same time. I read the man pages on adjacentscreens and switcher to no
avail. Is there something that I need to set up to get this to work? I
can start two suntools but they just stomp on each other. I tried running
one explicitly on /dev/fb and the other on /dev/cgfour0 - they overlaid
each other. Xwindows also gives me another screen but I can't start
anything on the second screen. Any suggestions? Thanks ahead of time.
-Devin
Devin Hooker
Untitled Computer Nerd
4860 Ward Rd.
Denver, Co. 80033
(303) 494-6546
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Date: Mon, 1 Aug 88 11:48:08 EDT
From: Peter Crockett <crockett at top.cis.syr.edu>
Subject: named and ypserv -i
How can I find out how the yellow pages interfaces to the named name server?
I installed named with the advice offered by Randy Smith in Spots back in
May. When named is running, nslookup tells me whatever I want to know,
but ypserv -i doesn't do the right thing. I can't telnet to previously
unknown sites and and random bizarre things happen, like ypcat's take
longer and su doesn't ever come back with a "password: " prompt. Does
anyone know, what is the mechanism of this mysterious interface, so I'll
know what to debug? What should be done with the entry in /etc/servers
which lists in.tnamed and what should be done with /usr/etc/in.named,
which is run from /etc/rc.local?
Does anyone have a bibliography of sorts with information on BIND and
yellow pages.
Much obliged!
Peter Crockett
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Date: 1 Aug 1988 13:10 EDT
From: bhoward at sol.engin.umich.edu
Subject: Problems with Cheetah 4200 and CDC 9720
We are experiencing difficulties bringing up cdc 9720 (850mg) drives on an
Interphase Cheetah 4200. I have called Interphase about this but
unfortunately, the notes from their engineer were for an earlier version
of the cdc that had a different layout for dip switches.
Any help you can give would be appreciated. Thanks!
Bruce Howard
CAEN, University of Michigan
bhoward at caen.engin.umich.edu
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Date: Mon, 1 Aug 88 11:52:55 mdt
From: ziel at spot.colorado.edu (ZIEL FRED ADAM)
Subject: Questions about Xylogics 753 and Fujitsu M2382K
We recently purchased a Xylogics 753 controller and two Fujitsu M2382K 1.0
GB drives for our 3/280S. So far we have been unable to format them using
SunOS 3.5. Apparently SunOS 3.5 doesn't support this controller. We have
a few calls into our vendor to find a solution, and I have confidence they
will have one, BUT I thought I'd see if anyone else has the Xy-753 running
under 3.5. When (note the confidence) we get this system going, I plan to
submit a followup on how we did it and how the drives work.
P.S. We also understand that 4.0 will handle this controller, but we can't
migrate to 4.0 right now because we have some software that won't run
under 4.0.
Thanks in advance.
Fred Ziel, Colorado Center for Astrodynamics Research, CU-Boulder
uucp: ..!{nbires,ames!ncar}!boulder!spot!ziel domain: ziel at spot.colorado.edu
disclaimer.h (line 10): syntax error.
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Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1988 15:03:32 EDT
From: Kanthan Pillay <SVPILLAY at pucc.princeton.edu>
Subject: Question about SunOS 4.0 speed
I recently installed Sun OS 4.0 on a friend's Sun 3/160. This has two
Microlytics 70 meg drives. I followed suninstall's defaults almost all the
way for installing the new OS on one of the drives, except for creating
/usr/usr on the second drive. Here's what the partitioning looks like.
Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on
/dev/sd0a 7427 2697 3987 40% /
/dev/sd0g 40959 39010 0 106% /usr
/dev/sd0h 811 10 719 1% /home
/dev/sd1c 64871 37086 21297 64% /usr/usr
The install went without any hitches. I did have to get a new prom to be
able to boot off of the tape, but otherwise there were no problems.
Except...
This sucker is now s-l-o-w. Even something simple like ps -aux takes at
least 30 seconds to execute. sunview? Hah! After 2 minutes, I get the
clock on screen. After five minutes, I get the console window. The
mailtool never loads on startup: that has to be restarted from the
console.
Any ideas at all? One of the reasons for upgrading was that we expected
some inprovement in speed. This is nuts.
Kanthan.
[[ How much memory is in the 3/160? --wnl ]]
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Date: Sun, 31 Jul 88 13:44:55 EDT
From: scs%lokkur.UUCP at umix.cc.umich.edu (Steve Simmons)
Subject: Final Report On Small SCSI Drives (LONG)
Why final report? Because I've left Schlumberger, and in my new position
just don't have the same need for small SCSI drives. For those who are
new to the situation:
Schlumberger CAD/CAM in Ann Arbor was (is) experiencing performance
problems with their Sun 3/50s, 3/60s, and 3/110s. The primary cause was
the fileservers were overloaded on disk access, with the great bulk
(70-90%) of the server activity being ND service. On investigation we
found that 3 3/50s in heavy swap state were sufficient to max out a 3/180
server with an XY-451 controller and a Fujitsu 2361 (double eagle). To
fix the problem -- reduce swap activity on the server. How to do that?
Either increase memory on the clients, or add local disk. Adding memory
sure pepped up the 3/110s, but isn't doable on a 3/50. So we went looking
for a *large* quantity of small disks.
Our figures said we needed a disk in the 60-70MB range. This would let up
put root + some of /usr + lots of swap on the local disk, and mount the
rest from the server. [[Sun now supports this as a standard configuration
with 4.0, called a dataless node.]] At the time no-one seemed to have
heard of the idea. Our requirements list became:
One small package
power supply
imbedded SCSI drive 60-70Mb
dual Sun-style connectors
supportable with standard utilities
Between having worked for a disk manufacturer and scanning what similarly
configured Macintosh drives sold for, we figured something between $1200
and $1500 per unit.
>From the start, it was difficult to convince vendors we wanted small
disk. Literally everyone we spoke to tried to sell us 140-300Mb disks.
In addition, almost all of them just could not believe we did *not* want a
tape drive. The inability to listen eventually dropped a lot of people
from our vendor list on this item [are you listening now?]
We explored a number of drives for the Macintosh. People were quite happy
to send us evaluation units, but gave us little or no help on how to setup
and format on a Sun. This eventually eliminated all the Mac peripherals
vendors, *even though they almost always had the best prices*! [It turns
out a standard Mac drive cannot be found by diag, and we didn't have the
time/capability to duplicate diag ourselves. The vendors had no interest
in opening up this market. Their loss. I have recently heard rumors
someone is selling a diag that will find/format Mac drives, but have no
info. If such turns up, I'll post it.]
The Sun 3rd-party vendors were anxious to talk to us, but were priced into
a ludicrous range. Now, if I were in their shoes I'd have done the same.
But at their prices it was *cheaper* to buy another Fuji drive and
controller rather than put drives on 8 clients. That blew all of them
out.
The field eventually narrowed to one company, Science Horizons. I will
not give prices as they were formal quotes rather than list items, but
let's just say I was satisfied. My contact there was Rob Lewis. He and
his crew were very helpful. They got us an evaluation unit in reasonable
time, helped with initial problems, and gave a very nice price. They
delivered the drives preformatted and labelled, which let diag/install
handle it from there. The important stuff:
Science Horizons
710 Encinitas Blvd, ste 200
Encinitas, CA 92024
(619) 942-7333
Now for the bad news. How many did we buy? None. Things got very tight
for a while at Schlumberger, and no go-ahead decision was made while I was
still there. Science Horizons is still the vendor of choice, and I feel
bad that they haven't gotten an order after being so helpful. Even if
nothing ever comes thru from Schlumberger perhaps this posting will
generate something for all their effort.
Standard disclaimer: my only relationship with Science Horizons is as a
satisfied customer.
A final note: there are now a *lot* of folks out there making Sun disk
addons. Some of their prices are excellent, some are terrible. But they
all seem to work. To find these folks, get a copy of "Sun Technology".
The pages are full of ads. Some folks who I either know of or who were
recommended to me:
Company: Helios Systems
Contact: Mike Brown
Phone: 408-723-9012
Company: AnDATAco
Address: 10054 Mesa Ridge Ct, Suite 102
San Diego, CA, 92121
Phone: 619-453-9191
Company: Aviv Corporation
Contact: Basile, Jennifer
Frenzreb, Jim
Address: 26 Cummings Park
Woburn, MA. 01801
Phone: 313-933-1165
Steve Simmons, Inland Sea Software, Ltd. scs at lokkur.uucp
9353 Hidden Lake, Dexter, MI. 48130 313-426-8981
UNIX Admin and Training Services
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