Dot files always first in directory?

[Frank Wales]

In article <167 at dg.dg.com> rec at dg.UUCP (Robert Cousins) writes:
>In article <2892 at osiris.UUCP> consult at osiris.UUCP (Unix Consultation Mailbox (Phil)) writes:
>>That ain't no horse, it's a red herring.
>>
>>The order of files in a "directory listing" (using ls, which by default
>>sorts everything by ASCII collating sequence before writing it to stdout)
>>has nothing to do with the real order of the files in the directory.  
>
>Actually, when one types in "ls *", the shell places all of the filenames
>which match the "*" on the command line as a replacement.  It is the SHELL
>which sorts them in alphabetical order.

That's a herring of another colour.  Try:

	ls `ls|sort -r`

How the shell expands metacharacters is irrelevant to what ls does
with its arg list once it gets it, options excepted.
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