ksh availability
Ihnat
ignatz at aicchi.UUCP
Sat Mar 16 09:58:36 AEST 1985
In his article, Randy King apologetically praises Dave's ksh.
No apology is needed; it's truly an outstanding product, and
deserves whatever praise it gets. While I was on contract at
Bell Labs, I used it extensively; now that my contract is over,
I miss it intensely. But I do have to take exception with the
claim that it's available.
Yes, it now can be bought; but, according to the "AT&T Toolchest",
which I called just to make sure I'm not mistaken, it's $2000 per site for
a source license, and $20000 for a vendor license for object
redistribution. Also, not mentioned by the Toolchest, but certified
as applicable by another source, is that you must have a System V
source license to buy the source.
I'm sorry, but I hate to break it to AT&T that most sites don't need or
want System V source licenses. Many purchase a machine for which a
vendor has done the port; they can afford the object license, but as
businesses have neither need, desire, nor cash to buy their own source
license--let the vendor fix bugs. Yet, at $20000, the vendors are going
to have to charge a substantial sum to recoup their loss on the ksh
source. Try to explain to a bursar or comptroller why you want to spend
hundreds to thousands of dollars on a new shell--I dare you. The fact
of the matter is that, whether we like it or not, it'll be darn hard
to justify significant cash expenditure for a tool which will replace
a tool which is currently doing the job, be it 'sh' or 'csh'.
The same applies for the honey-danber uucp package (which, I was surprised
to note, is *not* offered on the Toolchest menu). Apparently, $2000/object
license (could someone verify--is that per *machine*, or *organization*?
In any case, it's extreme). Again, try to justify that type of cash
outlay to an organization which has a tool that works already. Yes, I
have to nurse it, watch it, and beat on it--but I'm already doing that,
and we're getting our mail and uucp traffic, sooner or later.
All of the preceeding totally ignores the fact that the number of Venix-
and Xenix-based small Unix(Tm) systems, owned by both individuals and
businesses, is huge, and that AT&T is agressively marketing the 3B2.
Obviously, the average individual cannot afford a source license, or
a $2000 object license, or...
Finally, I question the propriety of overcharging in the extreme for the
practice of, effectively, offering corrected versions of products which are
*already* provided with the existing software, but are so bug-ridden as
to be apocryphal.
No...I don't think that ksh (or, for that matter, honey-danber uucp) is
really available to Unix users yet. As I said before, I applaud the efforts
of Dave, Pete, Dan, and Brian; "they done good, real good". And I can
understand that it's difficult for AT&T to figure out immediately what
is the best marketing strategy, after so many years as a regulated monopoly.
But, in the end, I'm the one with a Unix machine at work, and one at home,
and can't justify the cash outlay for the tools at work, and can't afford it at
home; and that's the bottom line. If it's not affordable, it's not
available.
Unix is a trademark of AT&T Bell Telephone Laboratories; probably AT&T
Toolchest, as well.
The opinions expressed herein are solely my own, and in no way necessarily
reflect the opinions, attitudes, or policies of my employer.
--
Dave Ihnat
Analysts International Corporation
(312) 882-4673
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