Sun-Spots Digest, v6n65
William LeFebvre
Sun-Spots-Request at RICE.EDU
Wed Apr 27 15:09:19 AEST 1988
SUN-SPOTS DIGEST Tuesday, 26 April 1988 Volume 6 : Issue 65
Today's Topics:
Re: Sun 3/50 clock keeps resetting
Re: Adding a third Eagle?
Re: csh "filec" bug
Re: screen dumping
Re: Need dsun: troff processor for Sun
Re: csh "filec" bug
Contribution: Interactive Color Editor
Selection and GET problems
Need help writing in SunView
Need help with SUN disk diagnostic message
UUCP patch request
DAT info request
The program sun2ps?
memory for 3/50's?
Experience with DECNET connections?
Comparison of Sun/4 to HP825S or HP835?
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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 88 18:31:02 MST
From: tomlin at hc.dspo.gov (Bob Tomlinson)
Subject: Re: Sun 3/50 clock keeps resetting
ndmath!ndcheg!evan at iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (Evan Bauman):
>
> We've had a Sun 3/50 for just about a year, and lately, when we reboot we
> get a message that the clock has lost 29 days. It also says to please
> check the clock and reset....
>
> [[ I think you do have a different problem. The patches in v6n1 fixed the
> "creeping clock" bug...--wnl ]]
The "creeping clock" bug just looks different under 3.5. It's the same bug.
Install the same fix.
[[ Everyone should install that fix, even if they think they don't have a
problem. It certainly can't hurt (unless you make a mistake installing
it). --wnl ]]
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Date: Sun, 17 Apr 88 15:51:37 HST
From: sysrick at cfht.mko.hawaii.edu (Rick McGonegal)
Subject: Re: Adding a third Eagle?
we are currently running 2 XY-451's in a Sun-3/180. The first is from Sun
with their VME-Multibus board and has a single super-eagle on it. The
second has an adaptor board from AVIV and is running a single eagle and
two M2344K's. We have had no problems other than the number of dip
switches/jumpers to configure between the VME adaptor/XY-451/Disk drives.
A look at /sys/sundev/xyreg.h shows that there are two bits allocated for
xyunit in the xyiopb structure. We assumed that 4 units were okay. The
only reason you are limited to 2 drives on the Sun XY-451 is that they are
using non-SMD cables and there is only really room for two data cables on
the back of their adaptors.
The AVIV adaptors (AVIV Corp, 26 Cummings Park, Woburn, MA 01801
617/933-1165) are fine. The only really messy part is that, by the time
you get one SMD control cable and 4 SMD data cables coming out of the VME
backplane you can lose the use of the slot to the right of the XY-451.
These disks are served to 6 diskless workstations and NFS mounted to 2-4
non Sun systems and we have never had a problem.
Rick McGonegal sysrick at cfht.mko.hawaii.edu
CFHT Corp.
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Date: Mon, 18 Apr 88 04:18:33 EDT
From: "Michael R. DeCorte" <mrd at sun.mcs.clarkson.edu>
Subject: Re: csh "filec" bug
> [[ If I understand what you are saying, you expect ~fo<ESC> to give you a
> list of possibilities (i.e.: an "ls") that could be filled in at that
> point and you are disappointed that it does not....--wnl ]]
Sorry, I guess I wan't clear. Assuming user foo, if I type
ls ~fo<esc>
csh will complete to
ls ~foo
I will now type return. Nothing happens. I do not get an ls of ~foo.
If I do an
ls /user/foo
everything works.
This bug is a bit interittent and only happens on cliets. My guess is
that csh is being somewhat confused by yellow pages and never bothers to
fork ls. Also once the problem occurs, even
ls ~foo
will not work even if I don't use file name completion. Therefore,
what I will get is
% ls ~fo<esc> # csh expands fo to foo
% ls ~foo
% ls /user/foo
mbox file1 file2
%
Michael DeCorte // (315)268-3704 // P.O. Box 652, Potsdam, NY 13676
Internet mrd at clutx.clarkson.edu // BIX DMichael
Bitnet mrd at clutx.bitnet // Compuserve 72220,3724
[[ He's right. This is a genuine bug. It happens to me under 3.2 as
well. --wnl ]]
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Date: Mon, 18 Apr 88 08:05:43 EDT
From: Chuck Musciano <chuck at trantor.harris-atd.com>
Subject: Re: screen dumping
Jerry Freedman writes:
> system(screendump | rasfilter8to1 |lpr -v).
>
>Most of the time this works but if someone else is logged in from another
>terminal somethings get all confused. Sometimes it tells me that "valloc"
>failed. Sometimes there are problems with "pix_rect", sometimes with
>/dev/fb.
The messages refer to the fact that screendump and/or rasfilter8to1 are
attempting (and failing) to allocate enough memory to hold temporary
copies of the image you wish to print. "valloc" is (I assume) the virtual
memory allocation routine, a "pix_rect" (or pixrect) is a pixel rectangle:
a buffer for holding your iamge, and /dev/fb is the frame buffer device
which holds the pixels displayed on your screen. Screendump makes a copy
of the frame buffer, and requires 1152x900 bytes (the use of rasfilter8to1
means you must have 8 bit color images). rasfilter8to1 converts the color
image (1152x900 bytes) to a monochrome one (1152x900 bits, 129600 bytes)
and sends it to the printer via lpr.
The bottom line is that the user logged in via the terminal is using up
some space in your swap volume, and the image processing commands cannot
run. The solution: keep them from logging in (not a good solution), or
allocate a larger swap partition.
Chuck Musciano
Advanced Technology Department
Harris Corporation
(305) 727-6131
ARPA: chuck at trantor.harris-atd.com
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Date: Mon, 18 Apr 88 09:06:06 EDT
From: ted at braggvax.arpa
Subject: Re: Need dsun: troff processor for Sun
>From: Donna Hrynkiw <donna%envy.kwantlen.bcc.cdn at ean.ubc.ca>
>I'm looking for a troff processor who's output can be displayed on a Sun
>workstation.
Tseetool from an old SUG tape will do that (well enough for preview
anyway). I can put it up for FTP or mail you a copy if you need one.
Ted Nolan
ted at braggvax.arpa
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Date: Mon, 18 Apr 88 10:08:33 CDT
From: "Matt Crawford" <matt at oddjob.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: csh "filec" bug
Reference: v6n54
> [[ If I understand what you are saying, you expect ~fo<ESC> to give you a
> list of possibilities (i.e.: an "ls") ... ]]
No, I don't think this is what he meant. On this sun-3 standalone machine
under 3.[2-5] the problem has been quite reproducible. If I type
% ls ~bil<ESC><CR>
the shell completes "bil" to "bill", but I get no output. (Lastcomm shows
that ls was executed.) Also, from then on I get no output from any
command that uses "~username", even if I don't invoke completion.
Eventually the problem goes away, I'm not sure why. It looks to me like
csh got its fds scrambled.
Matt Crawford
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Date: Mon, 18 Apr 88 10:03:43 EDT
From: warsaw at cme-durer.arpa (Barry A. Warsaw)
Subject: Contribution: Interactive Color Editor
Here's my contribution to sunspots. Its an Interactive Color Editor, or
ICE. This is version 1.1, a standalone suntool that works on 3/160C,
3/110C and 3/60C machines with OS 3.3 and up. Here's a brief explanation:
ICE is a tool that allows users to select color rgb triplets, called
chips. It is designed to run under SunView and utilizes the three button
mouse. ICE has 3 subwindows that provide a range of controls and methods
for selecting an rgb combination. ICE also provides multiple methods of
feedback to show the user the selected color.
This version of ICE uses a color library I've written that sits on top of
the pixwin color stuff. This color library is not built here but the
source files are included, as well as a manpage. This version of ICE is a
prototype for a more robust color editor, one that will allow the user to
edit color space ranges, and save/load colormaps, etc.
NAME: Barry A. Warsaw TELE: (301) 975-3460
USMAIL: National Bureau of Standards ARPA: warsaw at cme-durer.arpa
Rm. B-124, Bldg. 220 UUCP: {...}!uunet!cme-durer!warsaw
Gaithersburg, MD 20899
[[ I unpacked and played with this for awhile. It's pretty neat! If
you've ever had problems finding just the right color for something, then
check this out! I have split his shar file into two separate ones:
"sun-source/ice.shar.1" (58128 bytes) and "sun-source/ice.shar.2" (60856
bytes). They can be retrieved via anonymous FTP from the host
"titan.rice.edu" or via the archive server. For more information about
the archive server, send a mail message containing the word "help" to the
address "archive-server at rice.edu". --wnl ]]
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Date: Sun, 17 Apr 88 16:54:55 PDT
From: lind at perron.ms.washington.edu (Doug Lind)
Subject: Selection and GET problems
About three months ago, suddenly and without apparent cause, GETing a
selection on my Sun-3/140 (SunOS 3.4, standalone) started locking up the
window, with an eventual time-out error on the console of:
Seln_request: RPC: Remote system error - Connection timed out
Selection library internal error:
Couldn't get client handle for current holder .
This problem lasted for about three days, went away, came back for two
days, then went away for three months, all without any specific action
taken by me. I tried standard things like turning off the machine and
rebooting, and rebuilding the kernel, but nothing bore on the problem.
The problem is now back after being gone for three months. Cutting and
pasting is not working, and CommandTool menus don't work.
Has anyone had the same problems? Any suggestions? I'm desperate and not
under Sun contract.
[[ I later received this followup message: --wnl ]]
The local Sun tech rep solved it - the problem is somehow produced by the
network. We disconnected the machine from the network, and everything
worked normally. The RPC used by the selection service must somehow be
interacting with the network to produce the error. I hope that upgrading
from OS 3.4 to 3.5 will cure the problem.
Doug Lind, University of Washington Math. Dept.
lind at perron.ms.washington.edu
[[ The selection service does not work well at all if (the partition that
contains) /tmp is full. That is where it stores the text of the selected
region. This may or may not be related to your problem, but it is
something to bear in mind. --wnl ]]
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Date: 15 Apr 88 20:09:27 GMT
From: kddlab!ndsuvax!ncyouxua at uunet.uu.net (Youxuan Jin)
Subject: Need help writing in SunView
Now, I am writing a graphics application under SunView environment. The
application also need SunCore (or SunCGI) to draw on window and to handle
objects. I went through SunView, SunCore and SunCGI manuals but I could
not find out any chapter dedicate to the cooperation of SunView window
environment and SunCore graphic package. There is no related, non-trivial
examples either.
Specifically, I would like to see how, for instance, view surface of
SunCore is assigned to a subwindow of SunView so that SunCore application
can run under SunView as if it ran alone. I hope you can give me a couple
of real examples as well as some general guidance.
Thank you.
(Mr.) Jin, Youxuan
Dept. Computer Science
North Dakota State U.
Fargo, ND 58105
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Date: 18 Apr 88 20:04:17 EDT (Mon)
From: kpk at mtuxo.att.com (K.KRETSCH)
Subject: Need help with SUN disk diagnostic message
I need help with an error message that I get when I run disk diagnostics
on the SUN. At almost every turn, my commands fail and I get a message
Reset SCSI bus....
Can anyone give me some advice on how to react to this? The system I'm
running is a SUN 3/75 with a SCSI contoller and Micropolis 1325 disk. As
you can see from the Newsgroups list, I really need an answer to this; I'm
trying to repair bad disk blocks that prevent my system from even booting.
Ken Kretsch
(201)957-3658
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Date: Mon, 18 Apr 88 11:56:17 CDT
From: vuse!drl at uunet.uu.net (David R. Linn)
Subject: UUCP patch request
Does anyone have patches for the uucico shipped with SVR2 that will allow
it to use the INET as its communication device? The sources I have do not
include the nifty stuff from HoneyDanBer so I assume I am using UUCP
Version 2 instead of BNU. (I do not have BSD or SUN source tapes. My ATT
tape is SVR2.2 as I recall).
I want to run the modifed uucico on a Sun3/160 under SUNOS3.4 (or 3.5, I
can upgrade if needed but would prefer to wait for 4.0 (assuming that it
is ever released)).
Thanks for any leads,
David Linn
INET: drl at vuse.vanderbilt.edu [129.59.100.1]
UUCP: ...!uunet!vuse!drl CSNET: drl at vanderbilt.csnet
AT&T: (615)322-7924 BITNET: linndr at vuengvax
USPS: P.O. Box 1824, Vanderbilt University, Nashville, TN, USA, 37235
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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 88 13:01:05 PDT
From: Edward R. Kozel <kozel at spam.istc.sri.com>
Subject: DAT info request
Does anyone have any knowledge of, or experience with, Digital Audio Tape
mass storage devices, for SUNs or other computers?
Edward Kozel
SRI International
Internet: Kozel at sri.com
[[ To my knowledge, DAT recorders are not yet available in the U.S.
Can any of our overseas readers answer this query? --wnl ]]
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Date: Mon, 18 Apr 88 07:51:06 -0400
From: randy at ncifcrf.gov
Subject: The program sun2ps?
A simple question for you; where can I get the program sun2ps? My memory
is that this converts sun rasterfile output to postscript. I've checked
the archives and it isn't there. Anybody have any pointers?
-- Randy
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Date: Mon, 18 Apr 88 09:22 CST
From: <KUSALIK at SASK.BITNET>
Subject: memory for 3/50's?
We would DEARLY like to get more memory into our SUN 3/50's. Every once
in a while we hear a rumor that it can be done. We go chasing around for
a couple of days .... only to find that it's JUST a rumor.
So .... does anyone know of a DEFINITE way to upgrade the memory on
SUN-3/50's, or an AVAILABLE product to do the same?
Tony Kusalik
kusalik at sask.bitnet
kusalik%sask.bitnet at relay.cs.net
..!{alberta,ihnp4}!sask!kusalik
kusalik%sask.bitnet at jade.berkeley.edu
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Date: Mon, 18 Apr 88 12:47:30 EDT
From: Mike Jipping <jipping at frodo.cs.hope.edu>
Subject: Experience with DECNET connections?
Our installation of Suns is an island in a DEC ocean. The campus is DEC
through-and-through. Our research lab is made up of Suns, and we have
home-brewed links over serial lines to the campus facilities (mostly for
mail delivery and file transfers).
We are considering getting DECNET for our network. I'm interested in
experience others of you have had. We are interested in DECNET
compatilibity for (a) faster/easier/more flexible mail delivery and file
transfer, (b) better connections BOTH directions (SET HOST from the VAX ->
Sun, as well as Sun -> VAX), and (c) wider access of peripherals BOTH
directions (Sun users using VAX printers; VAX users using the Sun UUCP or
laser printer). The VAXes do not (and will not, for reasons beyond my
control) run TCP/IP. Hence, we are forced into making the Suns talk
DECNET protocols.
I'd be interested in any tips, pointers, or info I can get. Praises are
great, but pitfalls are also valuable. We have sales info coming from
Sun. Are there other implementations? Is all the above functionality
possible, or are our goals too high?
Thanks in advance. If there's interest, I'll summarize to the net later.
-- Mike
Mike Jipping
Hope College
Department of Computer Science
jipping at cs.hope.edu
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Date: Tue, 19 Apr 88 10:52:28 PDT
From: markb at ee.ucla.edu (Mark Bell)
Subject: Comparison of Sun/4 to HP825S or HP835?
I have been asked to consider running a reasonable benchmark on these two
machines. Our emphasis is in the area of multiuser support, particularly
the Informix database with more than 30 users.
The net has had many useful comments on the Sun/4 but I've seen nothing on
the HP equivalents. Does anyone know if these machines are comparable or
does either one have any distinct advantages? If there is no clearcut
answer then we will probably do the benchmarks. If we do, we'll be happy
to post our results.
Thank you. Mark Bell, Mgr Admin Computing
UCLA School of Engineering
Los Angeles, Ca 90024-1600
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