Sun-Spots Digest, v6n18
William LeFebvre
Sun-Spots-Request at RICE.EDU
Tue Feb 23 02:28:51 AEST 1988
SUN-SPOTS DIGEST Sunday, 21 February 1988 Volume 6 : Issue 18
Today's Topics:
Re: Screen Scrolling problems (2)
Re: Adding new clients
Re: Strange failure of bind(2) on diskless clients
revised screen(1) - there is no FBIOGTYPE ioctl bug
512 byte tcp packets in SunOS3.4
CDC Wren IV
Problem with HP Laserjet filters
Problems with X windows on Sun 3/60s
Help with cputime limit error
make question
Anyone using NSE?
NFS 2.0 support?
8mm Cassette Backup Systems?
WORM drives?
Sun consoles and keyboards at 300 m. on optical fibers?
High-Speed Data Acquisition on Dual Port Memories with Sun 3/16?
SUN rasterfiles -> QUIC?
DSUN?
Multibus-Vmebus adapter for digitizer?
Sun Driver/Emulator for Mac II?
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Date: 8 Feb 88 13:54:43 GMT
From: montnaro at sprite.steinmetz.ge.com (Skip Montanaro)
Subject: Re: Screen Scrolling problems (1)
In v6n12, Naim Abdullah asks:
>Sometimes the console of my Sun 3/60 goes into "jump" mode (I usually
>notice this when the system has been up a long time). When the screen
>is full and it tries to write a new line, instead of scrolling, it
>*clears* the screen and starts at the top of the screen.
Sounds to me like you might have logged into another machine that for some
period of time thought you were using a VT100. The VT100 and Sun both have
an escape sequence related to scrolling that, unfortunately, have
different semantics. In the VT100, ESC[P1;P2r sets the scrolling region to
lines P1 through P2. In the Sun, ESC[P1r changes the type of scrolling. P1
== 0 puts the console in wrap mode, such as you are experiencing. Any
arguments beyond the first are ignored by the Sun terminal emulator. So
ESC[0;23r would put you in wrap mode on a Sun, but set the scrolling
region to the full screen on a VT100. You commonly get that escape
sequence from editor initialization, or from some of DEC's VMS full-screen
tools, such as MONITOR. For more info, check out "man 4 cons".
Skip (montanaro at ge-crd.arpa, uunet!steinmetz!sprite!montanaro)
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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 88 14:39:14 -0500
From: dan at wilma.bbn.com
Subject: Re: Screen Scrolling problems (3)
I had this problem too, when I first got my Sun. In my case, the problem
was that I was somehow turning on "jump mode" on the console.
>From console(4S):
ESC [ # r Set scrolling
Takes one parameter, # (default 0). Sets (to #) an internal register
which determines how many lines the screen scrolls up when a line-feed
function is performed with the cursor on the bottom line. A parameter
of 2 or 3 introduces a small amount of "jump" when a scroll occurs. A
parameter of 34 clears the screen rather than scrolling. The initial
setting is 1 on reset.
I don't know what was turning it on, but sending ESC [ 1 r (I think it
was) to the console cleared it up. An ESC [ s (reset) ought to fix it too.
Dan Franklin
[[ Thanks also to Jonathon Biggar, jonab at cam.unisys.com, for similar
information. Either method described above should "undo" the problem.
--wnl ]]
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Date: 8 Feb 88 11:46 +0100
From: Jiri Dvorak <dvorak at iam.unibe.ch>
Subject: Re: Adding new clients
Some weeks ago I considered adding a diskless client to our 3/160 (with
only one client, installed by Sun). As the the new client is not yet
arrived (delivery delays ...) I never really tried the procedure.
What I intend to do is quite similar to the procedure described by James
Davenport (v6n11). But instead of running diag it may be possible to
divide (by means of nd.local) an existing partition (e.g. /usr) into
- the new clients root and swap partition
- a big root partition for a dummy client (and perhaps a small
dummy swap partition)
The second client's root partition is mounted to replace the previous
partition (/usr):
/dev/ndl? /usr 4.2 ...
in /etc/fstab.
Is there a serious flaw in this alternative ??
Jiri Dvorak EAN: dvorak at iam.unibe.ch or dvorak at iam.unibe.chunet
University of Berne or dvorak%iam.unibe.ch at relay.cs.net
Switzerland UUCP: ..!uunet!mcvax!iam.unibe.ch!dvorak
BITNET: u07j at cbebda3t.bitnet
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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 88 16:10:51 PST
From: Craig Leres <leres%lbl-helios at lbl-rtsg.arpa>
Subject: Re: Strange failure of bind(2) on diskless clients
Here's an excerpt from a posting I made last year on this problem:
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 87 20:37:02 PDT
From: Craig Leres <leres>
Subject: Re: Strange ftp problems
I have a 3/140 that was giving me the "ftp: bind: can't assign
requested address" error message. The problem was garbage in the
sockaddr struct in the ie_softc struct. This was because /etc/rc.local
was setup to ifconfig le0 instead of ie0 (I had copied a 3/50 root when
setting up the 3/140.) I suspect there is some nd magic that partially
sets the ethernet data structures; this explains why the 3/140 could
boot and work (almost normally) even though its ethernet interface had
not been properly ifconfig'ed.
You say that you are ifconfig'ing le0 in rc.boot, but is it possible that
something is wrong and this isn't really happening? On my Suns, (which
currently run 3.3) I use the following in rc.boot:
/etc/ifconfig ec0 $hostname -trailers netmask 0xffffff00
/etc/ifconfig ie0 $hostname -trailers netmask 0xffffff00
/etc/ifconfig le0 $hostname -trailers netmask 0xffffff00
If your problem turns out to be something else, I'd be interested in
hearing about it.
Craig
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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 88 14:10:36 EST
From: dupuy at westend.columbia.edu (Alexander Dupuy)
Subject: revised screen(1) - there is no FBIOGTYPE ioctl bug
The ioctl bug which I discovered was nothing more than a coding error in
the screen program I submitted. Here is a corrected posting. My
apologies for the misleading information.
@alex
[[ The updated shar file is available in the archives as
"sun-source/screen.shar". The file is 5861 bytes in length. It can be
retrieved via anonymous FTP from the host "titan.rice.edu" or via the
archive server with the command "send sun-source screen.shar". For more
information about the archive server, send a mail message containing the
word "help" to the address "archive-server at rice.edu". --wnl ]]
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Date: 8 Feb 88 18:40:15 GMT
From: coherent!celeste at ames.arc.nasa.gov (Celeste C. Stokely)
Subject: 512 byte tcp packets in SunOS3.4
unido!tb at uunet.uu.net mentioned that since he upgraded to SunOS3.4, his
Suns only use 512byte tcp packets. This was not the case in 3.2.
Yep, you're right. I filed the bug when I worked in Sun Tech Support
Networking, and here's the fix. By the way, it's allegedly fixed in 3.5,
but since Sun hasn't seen fit to send me the 3.5 I ordered, I don't know
for sure. (grumble, grumble!)
The patch fixes a problem with the TCP MSS MSS, the Maximum Segment Size,
is a TCP level parameter which refers to the maximum size TCP segment
supported by the host. The segment size is negociated as part of the TCP
connection establishment. The MSS should be 1024, not 512 bytes. Oops!
This is Sun bug # 1005485.
patch tcp_mss+ac and
tcp_mss+bc to be 400 instead of 200.
adb -w /vmunix
tcp_mss+0xac?w 400
tcp_mss+0xac: 0x200 = 0x400
tcp_mss+0xbc?w 400
tcp_mss+0xbc: 0x200 = 0x400
..Celeste Stokely
Coherent Thought Inc.
UUCP: ...!{ames,sun,uunet}!coherent!celeste
Internet: coherent!celeste at ames.arpa or ... at sun.com or ... at uunet.uu.net
VOX: 415-493-8805
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Date: Tue 9 Feb 88 14:22:03-EST
From: Ken Burner <KB13 at te.cc.cmu.edu>
Subject: CDC Wren IV
I've heard back from a couple of people about this -- mostly replies of
the form "we haven't tried that, but we intend to soon. Let us know what
you find out." Yes, I'll be glad to let the net know if we get the
problem worked out, but for now we're still stuck.
Here's the situation. We have a CDC Wren IV (5.25") 297MB disk with an
embedded SCSI interface (CDC model 94171). The *drive* speaks SCSI, so
does not require an intermediate Emulex or Adaptec board. We've gotten a
Sun2 to format (selecting "Emulex" as the controller), read and write the
disk with no problem (many thanks to David Anderson for his help with the
physical formatting parameters). However, connecting the drive to a Sun
3/50 or 3/60 produces interesting results: viz., the system can read info
from the drive, including the manufacturer's defect list, which means the
format is good and the system can find its way around ok. But, if we try
to format the drive or write to it in any way, a hardware error results.
We've checked the cabling thoroughly and verified that the SCSI signals
are all connected properly between the Sun 3 and the disk, the whole
business is properly grounded, and so on. We're stuck. Device driver
problem? Why would it be different on the Sun2 than Sun3? Sun3/50-60
SCSI problem? Nope, other disks with separate SCSI adapters (e.g.,
Micropolis/Adaptec in Sun "shoebox") work fine.
Have you noticed how easy it is to get in touch with *marketing* people
and how difficult it is to contact *technical* people within companies
like Sun and CDC. This is part 2 of our frustration during this whole
experience.
If there is anyone out there who knows anything about this, we'd sure
appreciate some help. I promise to summarize how we resolve this problem,
since I know others out there are about to set out on this same path.
-Ken Burner
Carnegie-Mellon
kb13+ at andrew.cmu.edu (or address above)
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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 88 09:33:05 EST
From: darkstar!brian at uc.msc.umn.edu (Brian Utterback)
Subject: Problem with HP Laserjet filters
Gareth J. Barker:
> I just picked up a copy of your package of HP LaserJet filters, etc. from
> the SUN_SPOTS archives...when I use 'lpr' with your printcap and filters
> the job prints more than once. I'm not sure how many times it would print
> if left to itself, as I've always stopped it with 'lprm'. Any suggestions?
I'm glad that you found it useful. The problem that you are experiencing
is most likely due to the fact that my filter writes out accounting info.
If it experiences any trouble, it (incorrectly) returns a staus code 1,
which says to reprint the job. LPRD then reprints it, with the same error
as before. A sure fix is to change the exit(1) to exit(0). However, I
think the correct fix is to change the exit(1) to exit(2). I don't know
the ramifications of this however. The best solution is, of course, to
check if the AF exists or by some other method determine if accounting
info is required.
Brian Utterback |UUCP:{ihnp4!cray,sun!tundra}!hall!blu
Cray Research Inc. |ARPA:blu%hall.cray.com at uc.msc.umn.edu
One Tara Blvd. #301 |
Nashua NH. 03062 |Tele:(603) 888-3083
[[ From the "4.2BSD Line Printer Spooler Manual" (page 4):
"A filter must return a 0 exit code if there were no errors, 1 if the job
should be reprinted, and 2 if the job should be thrown away." The only
real difference between exiting with a 2 and a 0 is that an exit code of 2
will make lpd log a warning message to that effect (under 4.2 I think it
ends up on the console; under 4.3 it is syslogged). --wnl ]]
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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 88 18:00:07 EST
From: rbw at rice.edu
Subject: Problems with X windows on Sun 3/60s
Apparently, they don't mix. Or at least here they don't. We have X v 10
rel 4, and it works fine on our 3/50s and 3/160. It does, however, have
extreme difficulty on the 3/60s - e.g. no mouse tracking, no I/O, etc.
Has anyone else tried X on a 3/60, or can give me some new ideas?
-Richard Ward
rbw at cs.williams.edu
Williams College, Williamstown, MA
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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 88 16:22:14 -0800
From: zanden%athena.uci.edu at ics.uci.edu
Subject: Help with cputime limit error
I have been getting an error while running a C program (which is about 2.3
Megabytes in size). The error says "Cputime limit exceeded". When I run
the program under dbx I get "Signal XCPU (exceeded time limit) in MEfree
at 0x54690". I initially thought there might be some time limit set but
when I type "limit", it says the CPU time is unlimited. Also I have typed
"unlimit" before running the program to ensure that no limits are set.
Nevertheless, I get the same error. Does anyone have any ideas as to what
this might be?
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 88 15:35:27 est
From: M.V.S. Ramanath <ram at deepthot.uwo.cdn>
Subject: make question
Make (on a Sun 3-50/SunOS 3.2) produces the following diagnostic:
$! nulled, predecessor circle
when run on a makefile containing:
a.c: a
yacc a
mv y.tab.c a.c
but appears to correctly run yacc and mv. On a VAX running BSD4.2 the
diagnostic does not appear. Is this cause for concern? I can find no
reference in the Sun manuals to '$!'. Any explanations ?
ram at uwovax.BITNET or ram at julian.UUCP or ram at uwocsd.UWO.CDN or
...!decvax!utzoo!julian!uwocsd!ram
...!ihnp4!watmath!julian!uwocsd!ram
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Date: 8 Feb 88 18:37:34 GMT
From: tuck at unc.cs.unc.edu (Russ Tuck)
Subject: Anyone using NSE?
I have been impressed by what I've read about Sun's new Network Software
Environment (NSE). A group at my site is considering buying it, but would
like to talk to a real user first. (Since I think the release date is
later this month, this is likely to be a Beta-test user.)
If you have used NSE, or know someone who has, I would appreciate your
sending me your name and electronic address or phone number. I won't take
a lot of your time, but I'd like to ask a couple of simple questions and
get your overall opinion of NSE. Thank you in advance for any help or
information.
(If there is sufficient interest, I'll post a summary of what I learn.)
Russ
--
Russell R. Tuck, III CSNET: tuck at unc
Computer Science Dept., Sitterson Hall ARPA: tuck at cs.unc.edu
University of North Carolina UUCP: {ihnp4|decvax}!mcnc!unc!tuck
Chapel Hill, NC 27514, USA Phone: (919) 962-1755 or 962-1932
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Date: 8 Feb 88 23:43:41 GMT
From: km at emory.UUCP (Ken Mandelberg)
Subject: NFS 2.0 support?
I hear the rumor that the Mac II with AU/X uses NFS 2.0. NFS 2.0 was gone
before we moved to the Sun world, so I don't know the consequences of
this.
Is there any problem in running NFS 2.0 against the current NFS 3.2 (and
future 4.0) servers on Suns?
Is there a functionality loss in 2.0 other than the rather recent file
locking function that came with 3.2?
Ken Mandelberg | {decvax,sun!sunatl,gatech}!emory!km UUCP
Emory University | km at emory BITNET
Dept of Math and CS | km at emory.ARPA ARPA,CSNET
Atlanta, GA 30322 | Phone: (404) 727-7963
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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 88 10:58:33 EST
From: Del Armstrong <dela at galaxy.ee.rochester.edu>
Subject: 8mm Cassette Backup Systems?
We're starting to look at some of the 8mm cassette tape systems, such as
the system advertised by Perfect Byte (inside cover SunTechnology). They
claim to be compatible with standard tape software (tar, dump, etc.), hold
over 2 gigabytes on a $10 media, and provide extensive error correction
support.
Has anyone any experience or opinions on these 8mm video cassette based
systems? Which brands are you using, or considering? Do they really work
as advertised? How are you dealing with maintenance on these guys?
If it seems appropriate, I'll submit a summary.
Thanks
Del Armstrong dela at galaxy.ee.rochester.edu
Department of Electrical Engineering
University of Rochester
Rochester, NY 14623
(716) 275-5342
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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 88 14:21:14 EST
From: Robin Rohlicek <rohlicek at bbn.com>
Subject: WORM drives?
Is anyone using WORM drives on sun 3's or sun 4's? I've seen several ads
for 5 1/4" SCSI drives but many don't have drivers available for the suns
yet. Also, is the 12" variety interesting?
thanks,
Robin Rohlicek
BBN Labs, Cambridge MA
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Date: Mon Feb 8 13:44:52 1988
From: portal!cup.portal.com!Clement_-_Vaillancourt at sun.com
Subject: Sun consoles and keyboards at 300 m. on optical fibers?
We are interested to put the monochrome consoles and the keyboards of some
Sun 3/180 at 300 meters away from the cpu. We want to use optical fibers
for speed and for electrical insulation. Those systems will be used in our
High-Power laboratory for electrical equipment testing.
Do you think it is feasible? Was it done before?
Clement Vaillancourt,
Hydro-Quebec Research Institute,
1800 Montee Ste-Julie,
Varennes, P. Quebec,
Canada, J0L 2P0
VOICE: 514-652-8238
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Date: Tue Feb 9 06:04:21 1988
From: portal!cup.portal.com!Clement_-_Vaillancourt at sun.com
Subject: High-Speed Data Acquisition on Dual Port Memories with Sun 3/16?
We are interested to expand some Sun 3/160 with two external VME chassis.
We want to install 32 x 12 mega-bytes dual port memories (384 mb). On each
of these memories we would connect an analog to digital converter on the
VSB port. Each analog to digital converter would operate at 1 mega-sample
per second; storing two bytes of data every microsecond in it's own
attached memory. For the data acquisition no data flow on the VME Bus.
When the acquisition is done we would like to look at the data by mapping
at some of the memories and plot the data on the monitor.
To expand the Sun VME Bus we are thinking of using some VME Bus Repeater
2000 from HVE Engineering Inc.
Did anybody work on something similar? Are we going to get any problems
with this huge external memory (384 mb.)? Did anybody use this bus
repeater?
We will appreciate all your comments!
Clement Vaillancourt,
Hydro-Quebec Research Institute,
1800 Montee Ste-Julie,
Varennes, P. Quebec,
Canada, J0L 2P0
VOICE: 514-652-8238
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Date: Tue, 9 Feb 88 08:31:15 EST
From: Bob Stein (517) 353-8661 <bob at steinr.pa.msu.edu>
Subject: SUN rasterfiles -> QUIC?
We have a Talaris 1500 attached to a VMS VAX 750. I would like to be able
to print SUN rasterfile screendumps on it. I can send files to the vax
using Sun decnet software over ethernet. Does anyone have a program to
translate the rasterfile format to QUIC language that the Talaris
understands. Thanks in advance.
Bob Stein
bob at steinr.pa.msu.edu
stein at msupa.bitnet
steinrt at clvax1.cl.msu.edu
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Date: 9 Feb 1988 1238-EST
From: hsw at tycho.arpa (Howard Weiss)
Subject: DSUN?
Anyone have a copy of the troff post-processor DSUN to preview troff
output on a SUN? If anyone has the code, can you please mail it to me
directly.
thanks,
Howard Weiss
hsw at tycho.arpa
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Date: 9 February 1988 1009-PST (Tuesday)
From: bbaker at nprdc.arpa
Subject: Multibus-Vmebus adapter for digitizer?
Does anyone have experience interfacing a Datacopy 600/130 digitizing
camera to a sun 3 via the Multibus-Vmebus adapter?
This camera was originally attached to a sun 2(100u,Multibus) machine and
worked well. However, when interfaced with a sun 3 via a Multibus- Vmebus
adapter, the DMA enable bit in the status register is always high. There
seems to be no way to clear this bit and I assume the problem is between
the Multibus-Vmebus adapter. I used the "vme2mb" program from Sun-Spots to
set the dip switches on the adapter card.
Any information regarding this specific problem or Multibus-Vmebus
adapters would be helpful.
thanks,
Burt Baker ( bbaker at nprdc.arpa )
Navel Research & Development Center
San Diego, CA
(619) 553-7685
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 88 00:17:52 EST
From: Thomas Kurfurst <thomas at csri.toronto.edu>
Subject: Sun Driver/Emulator for Mac II?
I would like to be able to use a Sun System 3/50 and 3/60 remotely from my
Mac II. Does any form of driver or emulator exist that allows the Sun to
drive the Mac II screen remotely. I guess I am looking for a Sun terminal
emulator or something like that?
Please note that I want to utilize the Sun graphics capabilities via the
Mac II so that dvitool or some other Sun applications may be viewed on the
Mac II's screen.
Any and all pointers or info would be greatly appreciated. Thank You.
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