Sun-Spots Digest, v6n25
William LeFebvre
Sun-Spots-Request at RICE.EDU
Tue Mar 8 02:31:16 AEST 1988
SUN-SPOTS DIGEST Sunday, 6 March 1988 Volume 6 : Issue 25
Today's Topics:
Re: lpd printing to a TCP terminal server attached printer
Re: rcp and rlogin hang in 3.4EXPORT, fix
Re: Multi-process debugging using Dbxtool
Re: Diskless CAD Stations
3.5 UPGRADE
URGENT Bug fix for Sun 4-3.2FCS
SUN rasterfiles -> QUIC
WORM drives
HP LaserJet Troff filter
Stuck in caps lock fix
Problems with Sun 3/50 and X
Needed: info on TOOL-TOOL
Sun 4 info requested
ping doesn't work with subnets and 3.4.2?
Questions about 256 entry colormap
GKS implementations?
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 88 12:18:26 EST
From: Andrew Hodgson <munnari!mimir.dmt.oz.au!ash at uunet.uu.net>
Subject: Re: lpd printing to a TCP terminal server attached printer
The easiest way to print through a terminal server or any other non local
device is to write the accounting filter and make it send the file to the
remote device. As an example we have a imagen laser printer on our
ethernet which uses IP both TCP and UDP. The termcap entry is as follows
imaprint|generic Imagen printer:\
:ff=\00:lo=lock:mx#0:pl=60:pw=80:px=2016:py=2624:rw:\
:sb=Imagen 8/300 Laser Printer:S:sh:
imaenet|generic Imagen ethernet printer:\
:cf=/usr/lib/imagen/icif.e:\
:df=/usr/lib/imagen/idvi.e:\
:gf=/usr/lib/imagen/igraph.e:\
:if=/usr/lib/imagen/ipf.e:\
:nf=/usr/lib/imagen/idimp.e:\
:rf=/usr/lib/imagen/ifort.e:\
:tf=/usr/lib/imagen/icat.e:\
:vf=/usr/lib/imagen/imp.e:\
:tc=imaprint:
ip|mezz_ip|imagen|Imagen 8/300 Laser Printer:\
:lp=/dev/null:hn=ip:rt=/usr/spool/lpd.ip/resfonts:qu#300:\
:af=/usr/adm/lpd.ip-ac:ah=mimir:lf=/usr/adm/lpd.ip-errs:\
:sd=/usr/spool/lpd.ip:tc=imaenet:
Note the lp device is /dev/null so that lpd just sends it to dev/null and
the actual communications is done by :if: which makes a TCP/IP connection
to the printer.
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 88 23:40:17 PST
From: rob at presto.ig.com (Rob Liebschutz)
Subject: Re: rcp and rlogin hang in 3.4EXPORT, fix
> Since we have installed SUNOS 3.4 (EXPORT) on our SUNs we expierience the
> following problem:
> When starting an rcp to or from a remote hosts which is not a SUN (in our
> case either a VAX 11/750 BSD4.3 or a Gould PN9000 UTX 2.0 == Bsd4.3) rcp
> copies a few blocks (the exact block count varies) and then hangs. ...
I've seen similar problems with ftp. There is a 0 size window bug in 3.4
tcp which causes this problem. I've not tried it yet, but the fix is
supposed to be to install 3.5 which is shipped to sites with software
support only if you ask for it. Another solution would be to get the 3.4
tcp source that's floating around the net and link that into your kernel.
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 88 09:12:51 PST
From: weiser.pa at xerox.com
Subject: Re: Multi-process debugging using Dbxtool
Yes, you can debug multi-processes with dbx, but you have to do it yourself.
If you do a fork, then an exec, just have your program remember the child
pid use that to attach a new dbx. (In the system we're developing here
there is some code to do this automatically for certain fork/exec's done
explicitly).
If you do a fork, but not an exec, dbx will not be able to attach to the
new child unless your executable file has type OMAGIC. (See 'man ld' for
how to make a file have OMAGIC). We do this here--works fine.
-mark
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 88 13:09:48 PST
From: jeff at tc.fluke.com (Jeff Stearns)
Subject: Re: Diskless CAD Stations
If you have enough RAM to keep your code and data resident in memory
without paging, then a network between you and the disk doesn't make much
difference.
If you must page a modest amount, expect a noticable but acceptable
slowdown.
If your workstation must page steadily, or if it must *swap*, expect to
become very unpopular with others who share the network with you. Your
response time (and theirs) may also increase by an order of magnitude.
If your application's appetite for data is modest, don't expect NFS I/O to
be a significant bottleneck. Be advised that reading data via the NFS is
several times faster than writing data; if your application writes several
hunderd kilobytes or more, the NFS could become a significant factor.
A diskless Sun running release 3.4 should have *A MINIMUM OF 8 MEGABYTES*
to run SunWindows without paging. Expect this to change with the
soon-to-be- nnounced release 4.0. (Bad news: no software release from Sun
has ever consumed less RAM than its predecessor.)
To your basic 8Mb, add enough RAM to hold the estimated working set for
your application. This may be 1-2Mb for code and many Megabytes for data.
Our experience suggests that diskless Suns with 16Mb should be good
performers with most current CAD software. The key to diskless
performance is to ensure that you rarely page and never swap.
Jeff Stearns
Domain: jeff at tc.fluke.COM
Voice: +1 206 356 5064
UUCP: {uw-beaver,decvax!microsof,ucbvax!lbl-csam,allegra,sun}!fluke!jeff
Snail: John Fluke Mfg. Co. / P.O. Box C9090 / Everett WA 98206
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Date: 24 Feb 88 02:46:39 GMT
From: cyrus at hi.unm.edu (Tait Cyrus)
Subject: 3.5 UPGRADE
Again I am in the process of upgrading my SUN 3/160 from one release of
SunOS to another (3.4 to 3.5). As before, when I ran SUN's UPGRADE shell
script, I found some possible changes to the UPGRADE script which would
make it run (better). It appears that 3 of my suggestioned 4 changes (and
who knows how many other peoples) were made to the 3.5 version of the
script with the exception of how it finds which clients are enabled and
the nd partition numbers those clients use. The problem I had was that I
made /etc/nd.local "look" pretty (used tabs and such to line the different
fields up). This caused UPGRADE to bomb because it expected spaces to be
between fields. Also, 2 of our 4 clients were commented out (the ones
using nd0 and nd2). The UPGRADE script "assumes" that the partition
numbers start at 0 and are sequential. Below are the diffs plus the added
file needed to "clean" up the UPGRADE script to make it work with any
possible format of /etc/nd.local and any possible sequence of nd partition
numbers.
I don't know if anyone cares (especially SUN since 4.0 won't have nd to
deal with) so you might only want to be aware of the possibility of
problems if /etc/nd.local has been "hacked" on.
*** UPGRADE.org Mon Feb 15 21:31:37 1988
--- UPGRADE Tue Feb 16 00:20:29 1988
***************
*** 542,605 ****
fi
#
# Create CLIENTLIST from /etc/nd.local
! # Looks ugly but handles all possible cases
! # nd.local format
! # user hostname hisunit mydev myoff mysize mylunit maxpkts
! #
! endsym=$
! ind=0
! CLIENTLIST=""
! while true; do
! grep " $ind $endsym" $NDLOCAL > /dev/null 2>&1
! case "$?" in
! 0)
! set `grep " $ind $endsym" $NDLOCAL` ;;
! 1)
! grep " $ind $endsym" $NDLOCAL > /dev/null 2>&1
! case "$?" in
! 0)
! set `grep " $ind $endsym" $NDLOCAL` ;;
! 1)
! grep " $ind$endsym" $NDLOCAL > /dev/null 2>&1
! case "$?" in
! 0)
! set `grep " $ind$endsym" $NDLOCAL` ;;
! 1)
! grep " $ind [0-9]$endsym" $NDLOCAL > /dev/null 2>&1
! case "$?" in
! 0)
! set `grep " $ind [0-9]$endsym" $NDLOCAL` ;;
! 1)
! grep " $ind [0-9]$endsym" $NDLOCAL > /dev/null 2>&1
! case "$?" in
! 0)
! set `grep " $ind [0-9]$endsym" $NDLOCAL` ;;
! 1)
! break ;;
! esac ;;
! esac ;;
! esac ;;
! esac ;;
! esac
! if [ "$1" = "version" ] ; then
! shift 2
! fi
! CLIENT=$2
! case "$1" in
! "#user" )
! ;;
! "user" )
! mkdir /${CLIENT} 2> /dev/null
! CLIENTLIST="${CLIENTLIST} ${CLIENT}" ;;
! * )
! ;;
! esac
! ind=`expr ${ind} + 1`
! done
! for CLIENT in $CLIENTLIST
! do
! set `grep "user $CLIENT 0" $NDLOCAL | sed s,\/," ",g`
! ndl=ndl${8}
cd /dev
/dev/MAKEDEV ${ndl} 2> /dev/null
done
--- 542,553 ----
fi
#
# Create CLIENTLIST from /etc/nd.local
! #
! for CLIENT in `awk -f get_client_names < $NDLOCAL`
! mkdir /${CLIENT} 2> /dev/null
! CLIENTLIST="${CLIENTLIST} ${CLIENT}"
! set `grep $CLIENT $NDLOCAL | awk '$3 == "0" { print $0 }'`
! ndl=ndl${7}
cd /dev
/dev/MAKEDEV ${ndl} 2> /dev/null
done
-------- below is file "get_client_names" ---------------------------
#
# This awk script expects /etc/nd.local as input. The output produced
# is a list of names of client machines that are enabled in /etc/nd.local.
# Note: Unlike the original way SUN did it, this version does not care
# if the partition numbers are sequential or not.
#
# nd.local format
# 'user' hostname hisunit mydev myoff mysize mylunit maxpkts
#
#
# only look at lines that have 'user' in them
#
$1 ~ /user/ {
#
# just make sure that 'user' was the first thing in the line
# (i.e. not commented out) and that the nd partition number
# is positive. If the partition number is negative, then
# it is refering to either the swap area or the pub area which
# we don't want. If it is positive, then it is a real client
# partition number.
#
if( $1 == "user" && $7 >= 0 ) printf("%s ",$2)
}
-------- above is file "get_client_names" ---------------------------
--
W. Tait Cyrus (505) 277-0806
University of New Mexico
Dept of Electircal & Computer Engineering
Parallel Processing Research Group (PPRG)
UNM/LANL Hypercube Project
Albuquerque, New Mexico 87131
e-mail:
cyrus at hc.dspo.gov
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Date: Wed, 2 Mar 88 11:32:36 PST
From: S.C.Blair FLIC Admin(512)331-3426 <ascway.UUCP!scb at spar-20.spar.slb.com>
Subject: URGENT Bug fix for Sun 4-3.2FCS
For those of you who've been @#$%'d by the fact that the Sun4-3.2FCS won't
allow you to NFS to the Sun4 from the Sun3's, here's the fix:
To do this, all you need is *1* machine on your network running SUNO/S3.5:
cd /usr/etc
cp rpc.mountd rpc.mountd.3.4
rcp(from sun3.5 machine)/usr/etc/rpc.mountd rpc.mountd.3.5
ps ax | grep mountd
kill the bugger
cp rpc.mountd.3.5 rpc.mountd
kill '/etc/nfsd >x<' and re-fire it off...
un-comment the machine(SUN4) in your fstab, and do a 'mount -a'. The Sun4
node will then appear JUST LIKE A NORMAL MOUNT (which it is). I have my
machine running 3.5, but most of my other machines are running 3.4 (don't
ask why!!). Then things will be fine...(diskless and diskfull Sun3's-I
don't have any Sun2).
Steve Blair
Schlumberger Technology Corp.-Austin, Texas
Disclaimer: The above is working fine on 30+ Sun3's running 3.4 O/S. If you're
running a lower release, good luck. Your Sun4 must be running
SunOS Release Sys4-3.2(which mine is). Otherwise YOU'RE ON YOUR
YOUR OWN and *I'M* not responsible.....(works for me fine!!)scb
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 88 15:08:54 EST
From: nagasamy at caip.rutgers.edu (Vijay Nagasamy)
Subject: SUN rasterfiles -> QUIC
Here is the code for converting SUN rasterfiles to QMS QUIC code. Sorry,
there is no man page for this program, however there is sufficient help
available in the program itself. (Try rfquic2 -h).
Uucp: {..., ames, cbosgd, harvard, moss, siesmo}!rutgers!caip!nagasamy
Internet: nagasamy at caip.rutgers.edu
US Mail: Vijay Nagasamy, Department of Mechanical & Aerospace Engineering,
Rutgers University, P.O. Box 909, Piscataway, NJ 08855.
Voice: Off: (201)-932-2824 Home: (201)-878-1818
[[ Stored in the archives as "sun-source/rfquic2.shar". It is 9809 bytes
in length.
--wnl ]]
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 88 07:44:38 pst
From: cygnet!will at sun.com (Will Nelson)
Subject: WORM drives
We are using WORM drives on sun 3's. These are of the 12" variety, using
the SCSI interface, and of course, our high performance jukeboxes.
We currently have drivers for Hitachi and Optimem drives. These were
originally purchased from SUN, and have been enhanced to operate better in
the jukebox environment.
Will Nelson uucp: {ucbvax!decvax!decwrl}!pyramid!oliveb!cygnet!will
Cygnet Systems, Inc.
601 West California Avenue
Sunnyvale, CA 94086-4831
(408) 773-0770
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 88 14:41:52 EST
From: darkstar!brian at uc.msc.umn.edu (Brian Utterback)
Subject: HP LaserJet Troff filter
I have received a number of requests for the LaserJet troff filter
mentioned in the printcap entry I submitted to the archives. The filter
was written by Sverre Froyen and is available in the comp.sources.unix(?)
archives. Anyway, I think that I got them from uunet. I think they were
called "lcat". Anyway, if you have trouble finding them, I will send you
a copy.
Brian Utterback |UUCP:{ihnp4!cray,sun!tundra}!hall!blu
Cray Research Inc. |ARPA:blu%hall.cray.com at uc.msc.umn.edu
One Tara Blvd. #301 |
Nashua NH. 03062 |Tele:(603) 888-3083
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 88 16:32:31 EST
From: Timothy.Freeman at theory.cs.cmu.edu
Subject: Stuck in caps lock fix
A response to Aaron Konstam's note in the 25 Feb 88 Sun-spots:
It seems that my Sun 3/160 sometimes misses an up transition on the shift
keys. When I'm running X, the problem goes away after I press both shift
keys at once.
Sometimes the meta keys (labelled left and right) get "stuck" too; this
goes away when I press both meta keys at once. I don't know whether these
workarounds would work if I were not running X.
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Date: Tue, 23 Feb 88 23:40:14 EST
From: sjc at purdue.edu (Steve Chapin)
Subject: Problems with Sun 3/50 and X
I've been having a minor problem with my Sun 3/50 and X windows. I'm sure
the answer is obvious, but it happens rarely enough that I haven't
bothered to track it down, and just often enough to keep me grumbling.
There is some magic keystroke sequence that causes X to interpret
everything typed as a capital letter. I can never figure out what it is,
because I always type a few strokes before I realize I've done it. (It's
ctrl-something).
Anyway, I'd like to know if there's a corresponding keystroke that will
restore the keymap.
Thanks for any help...
Steve Chapin
ARPA: sjc at gwen.cs.purdue.edu
UUCP: ...!purdue!sjc
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 88 13:52:51 EST
From: gotham!ursa!future!raj at sun.com (Raj)
Subject: Needed: info on TOOL-TOOL
Those of you that have struggled with Sunview know how hard it it to put
together a complex arrangement of buttons, sliders etc on a screen, I mean
in terms of placement etc. Also trying out different sizes, fonts etc
take a lot of time. What is needed here is a TOOL-TOOL - a tool that will
let you interactively specify where you want the panels, buttons, sliders,
canvasses etc., and when you hit "go", it will either write the code for
you or atleast give the parameters to use in the calls to window_create.
I was told by our Sun-rep that sun is working on such a tool, but with low
priority. When we know that high priority items such as 4.0 are delayed
an year, you can imagine when the tool-tool would be out. He also told me
that IDE had such a tool. Apparently someone at IDE worked on it for his
masters thesis.
I would be interested in obtaining information, source, or binary of such
a tool-tool if any of you out there have it. You can email me at
sun!gotham!ursa!raj.
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Date: 24 Feb 88 17:10:07 GMT
From: wucs1!wucs2!krf at uunet.uu.net (Kevin Fenster)
Subject: Sun 4 info requested
We are replacing a number of Vax 11/750s starting this summer, and are
looking at various machines to put in their place. One of the machines
which we are looking at is the Sun 4 line, specifically the Sun 4/280
Server. Our goal is to support 100 simultaneous users for the next
academic year. Preferably these 100 users could still get something done.
Right now we try (but fail) with 3 750's running 4.3BSD Unix. The type of
work done is basically instructional computing within an Engineering
School, which is primarily compiles for various languages (including ADA),
document prepartion, circuit simulation, circuit layout, symbolic
manipulation, finite element analysis, etc.
Here's the question: How many users can we support on a Sun 4/280? The
config guides for a Sun 3/280 says approx. 20 diskfull workstations
running NFS. My feeling is that it takes more power to support a person
tied to the machine with a regular dumb terminal, than a workstation
(missing some cpu crunch). This seems to indicate that a Sun 3/280 can
support fewer than 20 persons? Am I all confused? Is there anyone
running 3/280's as timesharing machines (i.e. non-workstation)? I realize
that a 4/280 has more cpu kick, but it uses the same I/O; a bottleneck?
Any help, comments, pointers to this would be helpful. We are also
looking at the Sequent Symmetry series and the Encore Multimax. I realize
these are completely different machines, but their price structures are
also a little different.
Ooops!! Yes, I realize that we can't support all 100 users off of a
single sun. It may take 4 or 5 to do it. That's what I am trying to find
out.
Thanks in advance.
Kevin Fenster Washington University ECL, St. Louis 314-889-6429
UUCP: krf at wucs1.UUCP or ..!uunet!wucs1!krf
"Someday it will be krf at wucs2.wustl.edu"
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 88 19:00:14 EST
From: starner at prc.unisys.com (Mark Starner)
Subject: ping doesn't work with subnets and 3.4.2?
Since upgrading to 3.4(.2) and subnetting a class B subnet into a class C
subnet, ping doesnt seem to work through our gateways.
I can ping someone on my own network, but cant ping the "other" side of
the file server (gateway) or any other machines in our subnet.
I can ping outside of our network fine.
Pinging from Non-Sun systems into any of our machines works fine.
(ie, from our vax to a workstation through a file server gateway)
Anyone have any ideas? solutions?
Thanks
Mark Starner (215) 648-7382
Unisys/Paoli Research Center
Paoli, PA
starner at prc.unisys.com
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Date: Wed, 24 Feb 88 19:46:08 EST
From: rayk at sbcs.sunysb.edu (Raymond T Kreisel)
Subject: Questions about 256 entry colormap
Does anyone know if it is possible to have a 256 entry colormap for a
canvas and have this same 256 entry colormap associated with panels that
are in the same frame as the canvas ?
In all of my attemps, on Sun 3/110's and Sun3/160's, the panels always
keep the mono colormap, which came from the inital SunView null frame.
thanks in advance,
ray
Ray Kreisel CS Dept., SUNY at Stony Brook, Stony Brook NY 11794
UUCP: {allegra, philabs, pyramid, research}!sbcs!rayk
ARPA-Internet: rayk at sbcs.sunysb.edu CSnet: rayk at suny-sb
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Date: Thu, 25 Feb 88 13:21:09 EST
From: palmer at ncifcrf.gov
Subject: GKS implementations?
We are interested in acquiring a GKS implementation for our Suns. What
commercial products are out there? I'd be especially interested to hear
personal experiences with various systems. Please mail directly to me.
Thanks.
-Tom
Thomas C. Palmer NCI Supercomputer Facility
c/o PRI, Inc. Phone: (301) 698-5797
PO Box B, Bldg. 430 Uucp: ...!uunet!ncifcrf.gov!palmer
Frederick, MD 21701 Arpanet: palmer at ncifcrf.gov
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